Poll: Who would you vote for?
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US Sen John McCain
2.94%
1 2.94%
US Sen Hillary Rodham Clinton
2.94%
1 2.94%
Former Gov Mike Huckabee
14.71%
5 14.71%
US Sen Barack Obama
11.76%
4 11.76%
Former US Sen Fred Thompson
14.71%
5 14.71%
Congressman Dennis Kucinich
5.88%
2 5.88%
Former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani
8.82%
3 8.82%
Governor Bill Richardson
0%
0 0%
Congressman Ron Paul
32.35%
11 32.35%
Former Gov Mitt Romney
5.88%
2 5.88%
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#1
If the presidential primary elections were today, who would you vote for?
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None of the above.
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GreggyD,

Could you explain? Who would you vote for?
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Since everyone listed is either a D or R, I could leave my explanation right there. But to expound a bit:

1. McCain...HELL NO. Supports gun control and legalizing illegal aliens.

2. Clinton....Double HELL NO. Satan incarnate. Will say or do anything to get elected.

3. Huckabee....I do not trust him (my gut instinct).

4. Obama....NO foreign relations experience. Wasn't even raised in the US.

5. Thompson.....Former long time corporate lobbyist. Enough said.

6. Kucinich....Career politician. Supports Gun Control (instant deal-breaker).

7. Giuliani....BIG Gun Control advocate. Supports illegal immigration.

8. Richardson....Former Clinton crony.

9. Ron Paul....I was very close to deciding to vote for this guy. However, I believe that he is hanging on to his R ties for more votes and money. He frequently breaks ranks with the R's. SO.....why doesn't he run as an Independent??? He seems detached from the R's and needs to make it official. Until he does that, I cannot vote for him.

10. Romney....From the fascist state of Massachusetts. Would touch him with a ten foot pole. Supports Gun Control.



The Libertarians can't put together a campaign to save their lives. They need to get it together. Right now, I'm more apt to vote for a gentleman I work with, as a write-in candidate. We have solved SO many of the world's problems in just 20 minutes in my office. At least I would have a clear conscience knowing that I voted for a man I honestly believed could do the job well. Even though he would have no chance to win, I voted for who I thought was the best man.

Until the playing field changes with the candidates, I will probably go that route.
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Quote:2. Clinton....Double HELL NO. Satan incarnate. Will say or do anything to get elected.


Well said. Of all the people I've spoken to about this woman, I have yet to meet a single one who said they'll vote for her. I wonder where her support is coming from? This woman is faker than a $20 Tijuana Rolex.
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Greggy_D Wrote:Since everyone listed is either a D or R, I could leave my explanation right there. But to expound a bit:

1. McCain...HELL NO. Supports gun control and legalizing illegal aliens.

2. Clinton....Double HELL NO. Satan incarnate. Will say or do anything to get elected.

3. Huckabee....I do not trust him (my gut instinct).

4. Obama....NO foreign relations experience. Wasn't even raised in the US.

5. Thompson.....Former long time corporate lobbyist. Enough said.

6. Kucinich....Career politician. Supports Gun Control (instant deal-breaker).

7. Giuliani....BIG Gun Control advocate. Supports illegal immigration.

8. Richardson....Former Clinton crony.

9. Ron Paul....I was very close to deciding to vote for this guy. However, I believe that he is hanging on to his R ties for more votes and money. He frequently breaks ranks with the R's. SO.....why doesn't he run as an Independent??? He seems detached from the R's and needs to make it official. Until he does that, I cannot vote for him.

10. Romney....From the fascist state of Massachusetts. Would touch him with a ten foot pole. Supports Gun Control.



The Libertarians can't put together a campaign to save their lives. They need to get it together. Right now, I'm more apt to vote for a gentleman I work with, as a write-in candidate. We have solved SO many of the world's problems in just 20 minutes in my office. At least I would have a clear conscience knowing that I voted for a man I honestly believed could do the job well. Even though he would have no chance to win, I voted for who I thought was the best man.

Until the playing field changes with the candidates, I will probably go that route.

I'd have to agree with all of this. However, abortion, stem cell research, euthanasia & the homosexual agenda are the deal-breakers for me. I don't care where the candidates stand on all other issues until they can convince me on the biggest social issues. Gun control being not far behind that. I definitely believe that Hillary is evil. On the Republican side, I was leaning toward Fred Thompson, but now...I simply don't know. I like Ron Paul, but...he definitely seems to be holding tight to the ® beside his name. I do like Huckabee though...so we'll see how that turns out.
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#7
Matymus Wrote:I do like Huckabee though...so we'll see how that turns out.


Matt,

Just an FYI: I know working for a state senator, you understand all too well the way the political smoke screens work. Here in Arkansas, I have seen our beloved Huckabee, who I staunchly supported at one time, work as so-called "Christian conservative" for a socialistic agenda.

One example is Huckabee's staunch support for Arkansas House Bill 1525 in the 2005 legislative session. This bill, dubbed "Scholarships for Illegals", became a defining issue in the 2006 Republican primary as it showed the sheep from the goats. The bill was to give taxpayer funded college scholarships and IN-STATE tuition to illegal immigrants. The bill sailed through the house, and was fixing to fly through the senate, until State Sen. Jim Holt of Springdale, a Christian homeschool father and Army intel vet at NSA, jumped all over the bill and lead the fight to kill it. It failed by two votes in upper house and Huckabee the "Christian" played the race card and called Holt a racist and said the two didn't "drink the same kind of Jesus juice".

Huckabee also publically pushed HARD for the National Animal ID and Farm Premise ID in Arkansas and appeared in newspaper and radio ads supporting the communistic program.

Huckabee, like most men in office, changed. The Huckabee that left Little Rock this January wasn't the one that replaced convict Jim Guy Tucker and cleaned up Arkansas politics in the 90's following Clinton's reign. Many of the things he has done here have ruined a further career in Arkansas politics. Arkansans know this--including most republicans. I believe that his why he is seeking national office; because of his books on character and weight loss, his tarnished reputation ends at the Arkansas state line. Greener grass to be had elsewhere. Maybe he can be elected US Senator from New York.

I'm not telling you what to do, just know your man by his record, not his words. Godspeed in making your decision. I know its a hard one this year, and, I fear, will get no better in the future.
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Southron Boy Wrote:Matt,

Just an FYI: I know working for a state senator, you understand all too well the way the political smoke screens work. Here in Arkansas, I have seen our beloved Huckabee, who I staunchly supported at one time, work as so-called "Christian conservative" for a socialistic agenda.

One example is Huckabee's staunch support for Arkansas House Bill 1525 in the 2005 legislative session. This bill, dubbed "Scholarships for Illegals", became a defining issue in the 2006 Republican primary as it showed the sheep from the goats. The bill was to give taxpayer funded college scholarships and IN-STATE tuition to illegal immigrants. The bill sailed through the house, and was fixing to fly through the senate, until State Sen. Jim Holt of Springdale, a Christian homeschool father and Army intel vet at NSA, jumped all over the bill and lead the fight to kill it. It failed by two votes in upper house and Huckabee the "Christian" played the race card and called Holt a racist and said the two didn't "drink the same kind of Jesus juice".

Huckabee also publically pushed HARD for the National Animal ID and Farm Premise ID in Arkansas and appeared in newspaper and radio ads supporting the communistic program.

Huckabee, like most men in office, changed. The Huckabee that left Little Rock this January wasn't the one that replaced convict Jim Guy Tucker and cleaned up Arkansas politics in the 90's following Clinton's reign. Many of the things he has done here have ruined a further career in Arkansas politics. Arkansans know this--including most republicans. I believe that his why he is seeking national office; because of his books on character and weight loss, his tarnished reputation ends at the Arkansas state line. Greener grass to be had elsewhere. Maybe he can be elected US Senator from New York.

I'm not telling you what to do, just know your man by his record, not his words. Godspeed in making your decision. I know its a hard one this year, and, I fear, will get no better in the future.

Nono...I appreciate the feedback. I mean...at this point, I have NO CLUE who will get my vote. I'm always trying to be open to suggestions. I know there's alot more to the individual candidates than their talking points, and I'm always fascinated to hear stories from the constituents whose districts these candidates claim to represent. I was excited when I heard Fred Thompson was entering the race, now I'm not so sure, ya' know? It seems as though they've all got baggage. To be honest, at this point, I'd probably vote for Joe Lieberman if he was running. Though, he does tend to caucus with the democrats alot, he's not beholden to them. I just don't know. Are there any true and honest politicians anymore?? Were there ever?? It seems as though everybody eventually plays 'the game'. Sooner or later, they succumb to it. Pressure, maybe? $$?? Who knows?
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#9
I'm officially OUT on Ron Paul. Typical politician.

Quote:Guaranteed 100% pork. The media has noted, though many libertarians have ignored, that the allegedly “libertarian” Republican, Ron Paul, has been bringing home the bacon to his district, just like every other vote-seeking politician. The PR hype is that Paul is different. Judge for yourself.

Paul says he only votes for spending authorized by the US Constitution. But when it comes to using his Congressional position, to request pork for projects in his own district, apparently anything goes. Whether the spending is Constitutionally legitimate, or no,t Paul brings home the bacon.

According to the Houston Chronicle, Paul:

...leads the Houston-area delegation in the number of earmarks, or special funding requests, that he is seeking for his district. He is trying to nab public money for 65 projects, such as marketing wild shrimp and renovating the old movie theater in Edna that closed in 1977 — neither of which is envisioned in the Constitution as an essential government function.


Paul’s arguments for using pork barrel projects in his own district is that, “if they take it, we should ask for it back.” Of course, on that basis, there is little spending which is not justified.

Paul also argued that these special earmarks, used by Congressman to increase their own popularity at home, don’t add anything to the budget. The funding is already in the budget he says and the budget is not increased to compensate for them. But spending $400 million on pork, as Paul requested, still means the $400 million is spent. And, under the current budget, if it is spent, it contributes to the deficit that will, no doubt, mean higher future taxes. While agencies try to spend their full budget so they can request more the next year. There is some slim chance that funding allocated will not be spent. Earmarking makes sure the funds are spent.

Even if one were to buy Paul’s argument, shouldn’t the earmarks, at the very least, correspond with Constitutionally permitted spending? Does Paul's dubious claim that the “people” are really spending the money, as opposed to politicians, mean the spending need not be constitutionally justified?

Certainly, the special interest groups that put in requests for such spending are not “the people”. And the idea that this removes spending authority from politicians is absurd. It means that the special interests have to go to a Congressman, with begging bowl in hand, asking for the handouts. Since the individual politicians is the gateway for such funding it expands his ability to buy votes with taxpayer funds.

Here is a list of some of the pork that Paul has applied for. It is apparent that much of this has nothing to do with programs permitted, or mandated, by the Constitution. You figure out what clause of the Constitution enumerates the spending in question. I’m not an expert on the workings of Congress but reading through the funding requests I am under the impression that Paul was seeking multiple funding for some of these projects. I don’t know if this is cumulative, but that is the impression I got. Either way asking for it once is bad enough.

1. $25,000 for the Brazoria County Sheriff to establish a “Children’s Identification and Location Database.”

2. $8 million for the marketing of wild American shrimp.

3. $2.3 million for shrimp fishing research.

4. $3 million to “secure the acquisition of the McGinnes tract, protecting its critical natural resources and helping consolidate refuge inholdings.”

5. $5 million to expand the cancer center at Brazosport Hospital.

6. $200,000 for the Matagorda Episcopal Health Outreach Program to fund a “National Health Service Corp Scholar.”

7. $4.5 million to study the effects of the health risks of vanadium.

8. $3 million to test imported shrimp for antibiotics. (Does anyone think there is a big shrimp industry in Paul’s district?)

9. $10 million to repair the Galveston railways causeway bridge.

10. $1.18 million for “Personalized Medicine in Asthma”

11. $100,000 for a “data-driven automated system for nursing students on the Texas Gulf Coast.”

12. $257,000 to “prepare graduates from the doctoral program at the University of Texas Medical Branch School of Nursing to assume faculty roles in schools for nursing with a deficient number of doctoral level faculty.”

13. $1.4 million to buy buses for the Golden Crescent Regional Commission.

14. $2 million to buy buses for Galveston.

15. $5 million for highway spending.

16. $2 million to replace facilities for Galveston bus service.

17. $3 million to replace facilities for the Golden Crescent Regional bus facility.

18. $2 million to repair the Galveston trolley.

19. $2.14 million to renovate the Edna Theater.

20. $13 million for I-69 highway project.

21. $30 million the Texas Maritime Academy to refurbish a ship.

22. $4.5 million to maintain Cedar Bayou. Plus another $9 million

23. $15 million for “construction at GIWW Matagorda Bay.” Plus another $5.8 million

24. $100,000 to maintain Chocolate Bayou.

25. $2.5 million to maintain Double Bayou.

I don’t really know much about the shrimp industry, but it is big in Texas, and it has been demanding that the federal government act to restrict imports in one way or another. One press release, by Paul’s office, states that the Congressman “joined several of his House colleagues urging action by the Commerce Department to protect the troubled domestic shrimp industry.” Paul said US companies “have been devastated by cheap imported shrimp” and he wants to end foreign aid to any nation that subsidizes shrimp. His “Shrimp Importation Fairness Act” was “to help level the playing field between the foreign and domestic shrimp industries.”

While I understand the anger of US shrimp companies over foreign competition (I wouldn’t mind being the only blog on the block) it is strange to condemn other countries for allegedly subsidizing their shrimp industries while putting in requests to subsidize the US shrimp industry. I’m opposed to government-to-government aid regardless of who receives it. Targeting the aid of only those nations, that have successful shrimp industries of their own, sounds more like back door protectionism, while the $13 million in earmarks to US shrimp producers sounds like front door pork.

Paul seems to be playing on both sides of the fence. He puts in the requests for the pork which becomes part of the budget. Then he votes against the appropriations bill. He knows that the vast majority of these spending bills will pass regardless of what he does. He can brag to shrimpers about the millions in subsidies which he earmarked for them, but he can also claim to have voted against the subsidies he guaranteed. It is one way to be all things to all people.

Not all politicians use earmarks. One can successfully hold office without resorting to such favor granting. John Boehner (R-OH), Jeff Flake (R-AZ), Vito Fossella (R-NY), Jeb Hensarling (R-TX), John Shadegg (R-AZ) and Lee Terry (R-NE), are confirmed as having not requested earmarks. And at least six Senators have eschewed the process as well.

It isn’t that Paul doesn’t make some valid points. Money that an agency would spend, as they wished, is directed by Congress to specific projects. But, here is the other side of the coin. There is spending which is constitutional and spending which isn’t. If funds are left in a general budget there is some chance, very slim perhaps, that it might be spent in a constitutional manner. But when Paul earmarks funding for unconstitutional projects he guarantees, without any question, that the spending will violate the constitution. What slim chance there is, that the spending might be constitutionally warranted, is snuffed out by the earmark. And I find that odd for an alleged “constitutionalist” to do.
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I think I am the only one who voted for Kucinich. Big Grin

He's very progressive on many issues. Lest any of you guys think I am a hippy tree hugger- I was raised in an independent fundamental Baptist church by strict religious parents. Later joined the military.

He's the one candidate that shares most of my views. Two strict criteria for me are the environment and the other is gay rights.

I was impressed by his support for rail transportation, especially Amtrak. The government seems to bail out the railroads constantly while our railroad infrastructure is suffering.

On a more local note- I commute by two trains daily- a commuter suburban train (Metra) and the city train(El). This past year I've lost 5 commute buddies to cars because they can't count on the El. That's 5 more cars on the already congested roadways.

Kucinich doesn't flip flop when it comes to gay/lesbian rights which caught my attention during the debate.

In John Edwards words concerning gay rights," I believe, to my core, in equality." Although he still won't get my vote.

Hilary and Barack seem to dance around the issue. Kucinich bless his long shot at winning heart fully supported gay marriage. No compromising with talk of civil unions with him.

"“I can't imagine what it would be like to have met the love of my life and…to have such a depth of feeling for her and then be told that no, you can't—you just can't be married, because there is a certain rule or law that won't let that happen,” Kucinich said. "That would be devastating."
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