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IUBH - Another low cost European Grad option
#11
"We are also a system/self-accredited university."

Hmmmmm. And they have a 3-page document just to answer this question. Hmmmmmm.

I'm not even going to pretend to know all the in's and out's of the German education system. But one thing I know from experience is that the more the question of "are you accredited" has to be explained and it's not something one can easily find from a single official source, the more it usually turns out to be BS and I don't care what country you're from.

I know a little about what Anabin does and maybe I'm missing something with them, but is there a central authority (or a number of official authorities) in Germany where it can be verified easily that they're accredited (whatever that term means in Germany commensurate to how we understand it in the United States) or not?
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#12
I also don't pretend to know the ins and outs of the German education system, but FIBAA is listed here as an accreditating organization in Germany and IUBH has them listed as one of their accreditation partners.
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#13
(12-29-2020, 02:28 PM)Flelm Wrote: I also don't pretend to know the ins and outs of the German education system, but FIBAA is listed here as an accreditating organization in Germany and IUBH has them listed as one of their accreditation partners.

Great. My skepticism was reasonable given that the FIBAA links in their PDF don't lead to where they're pointed to, they misleadingly use AACSB on their site so what IUBH lists is open to be questioned given that, and "accreditation" does not mean the same thing in the same way in all places around the world (I think we've all learned that because of the ENEB-Isabel situation) including some that use the term for course quality control, which is why I mentioned the American context. It appears to check out, but the scrutiny was/is fair given those points.
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#14
For my point, being recognized, being member and so on and being accredited are 2 different planets. First two is not accreditation. Its just marketing
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#15
I am also not an expert at any of this, but did some digging anyway.
I agree that mixing memberships and accreditation on one page is misleading, however, the accreditations they do have appear legitimate.

Stiftung Akkreditierungsrat confirms FIBAA accreditation here:
https://antrag.akkreditierungsrat.de/akk...63a0e3bc7/ 

Wissenschaftsrat pending renewal in January:
(page1)
https://www.wissenschaftsrat.de/download...onFile&v=3
(page 35)
https://www.wissenschaftsrat.de/download...onFile&v=1

If you search for "iubh" on the FIBAA website, you get a bunch of results:
https://www.en-fibaa.org/procedures-at-p...ache=1&L=1

The free WES tool shows this (not proof of anything, but a good sign):
https://applications.wes.org/degree-equi...53004D0053


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#16
They are now offering dual-degrees with London South Bank University (public UK university) for some programs, like Data Science, if you have 2+ years of relevant work experience. Would be interesting if you can somehow avail yourself of the price discrimination with a VPN, because they seem to work off of a trial/credit card type subscription system.

You'd be taking a risk as you need to change the country at the end of the degree to your country of residence.  They have a 1 month trial option here: https://www.iu.org/start-studying/. The online degree option appears to be competency-based and self-paced.

Quote:*only available for selected study programmes: B.Sc. Data Science, B.Sc. Computer Science, B.A.A. Business Administration, B.A. International Management, M.Sc. Artificial Intelligence (120 ECTS), M.Sc. Computer Science (120 ECTS), M.Sc. Data Science (120 ECTS), MBA with electives 90 ECTS (Big Data, Engineering, Finance & Accounting, IT, Marketing, E-Sports Management, Supply Chain Management, Human Resource Management, Innovation & Entrepreneurship, Artificial Intelligence, Salesforce).

They have sample degree certificates here for both IU and LSBU: https://www.iu.org/my-university/forms-documents/

Going off of the WES pre-qualification tool, both the LSBU and IU degrees are equivalent to Master's degrees. This makes it among the cheapest Master's options if the online option results in equivalent awards as the on-campus option.

My bad, just realized @bjcheung77 posted about this years ago: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...k-required

Would be curious if anyone has an update on their enrollment, or their experience adding ECTS from LinkedIn Learning.
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#17
Since I last looked at this institution, they've updated their accreditation page to be much clearer on accreditations vs memberships.
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#18
(12-24-2020, 07:14 AM)jch Wrote: I looked into their accreditation situation. Their accreditation and rankings page at https://www.iubh-online.org/why-iubh/acc...filiation/ shows the AACSB logo. Seems great, right? Well, cross checking the AACSB list of accredited programs in Germany at https://www.aacsb.edu/accreditation/accr...ry=Germany shows that IUBH is not listed. The disclaimer on that page stating "AACSB International membership does not denote AACSB accreditation and should not be interpreted as achievement of accreditation" gives a hint. Looking more closely at the IUBH page, this is exactly what is going on. They have a membership, but not actual accreditation. How many people are going to miss this distinction? In my opinion, this a bit of a scummy tactic. If something isn't an accreditation, it shouldn't be on your accreditation page!

This is an important distinction.  Thanks for catching it.
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#19
At the bottom of each program page, it seems they're willing to consider prior coursework for free to skip modules. I'm considering sending in my ENEB transcript and degree and seeing how they treat it, but I'm personally too busy to seriously consider a Master's at IU right now. You can probably get some portion of the 1 year MBA waived with the ENEB MBA and some portion of data science waived with the ENEB Big Data/Business Intelligence program.

Quote:Recognition of previous achievements
Have you already completed a training course, studied at a university or gained work experience? Have you completed a course or a learning path through IU LinkedIn Learning, and earned a certificate? Then you have the opportunity to get your previous achievements recognised, and complete your studies at IU sooner.
  • Save time: Skip individual modules or whole semesters!
Even before you apply for an online study programme, we’ll gladly check whether we can take your previous achievements into account: 100% online, no strings attached. Simply fill in our recognition application form, which you can find under the content section of each study programme's webpage, and upload it via our upload section. You can also e-mail it to us, or send it via post.
Send an email to study@iu.org to find out which previous achievements you can get recognised. Make sure you send your application before the end of your 1-month trial. You can get your previous achievements recognised during your studies.
Do you need help with your application for recognition? Our student advisors will be happy to help. Simply arrange a personal call-back appointment. Arrange a personal video consultation appointment to discuss recognition
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