ENEB Master Thread

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I Emailed ENEB asking about the "2 separate degrees" on the English page versus the "1 combined degree" on the Spanish page for the MBA + Master's, as discussed earlier. They replied saying that the English school and Spanish school are considered as two entirely separate schools with entirely separate degree programs, and what is true on the Spanish page is not true for the English page.

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At the same time, don't forget that WES is also a member of NACES, and in the future ENEB diplomas may only be applicable to some countries in Asia and South America. The European recognition should also be affected by the fact that it is no longer part of the higher education sector, and it is now more like a training certificate with European credits than a real master's program.

I think you have misunderstood something.

- NACES members are not unified, there is no standard across NACES for what a degree equals and they do not all give the same evaluation result. One NACES member may say a degree is a "graduate certificate" but another says it is a "regionally accredited Bachelor's" and another will say "unaccredited Master's", for example, which are 3 separate results from 3 separate NACES members about the same 1 degree. It is a completely different situation from countries like Norway where the government or school board itself is the one and only body that evaluates foreign degrees.

- FCEs including WES do not follow the legal standards of the country the degree is from when they make decisions. My Associate's degree is a legal "regionally accredited" degree from Europe taught in English, but WES USA evaluated it as a "non-degree". 

- You don't need a FCE to use a European diploma for work in another European country unless you are trying to get a job that requires a license (no ENEB related jobs require a license). The worth of the certificate has not lowered in that case.

- European equivalency has only ever been guaranteed for official university degrees. Even then they are only guaranteed for entrance into further academic studies, equivalency is not guaranteed for jobs or licensing in another European country.

- The ENEB degree was already recognized as entirely below university level in several European countries (the Nordics, Germany, Belgium I believe). Again they were not basing that on the laws of Spain.

- This is not limited to the university level. For example Sweden does not accept a Spanish high school diploma as counting as high school graduation. They require Spaniards to take additional English classes among other things in order to count as a high school graduate in Sweden. If they were following Spanish laws, this would not be required.

Agreed. Already previous to the new law about MFP german anabin database stated that Propio titles were outside the spanish higher education system, so nothing really changed in that regard. It is still worth it if you don't want to pursue further studies. And even then, private german FHs/universities might transfer some credits.