Big 3 mentioned on Forbes

[Exfactor]

Excelsior College does not get much love here, but they came out #1
Average Starting Salary (2013-'14): $50,000

I guess 160,000 gradates can't be wrong.hilarious

Graduates*

[sanantone]

The average starting salary is going to depend heavily on one's major. If Excelsior students are more likely to major in something technical or vocational, then they are going to make more money than someone who majors in a liberal art. Most of COSC's degrees are general studies degrees with concentrations. A lot of students go to TESU for flexible programs rather than technical programs.

The problem with averages is that they are skewed high or low by outliers. Medians are better at describing central tendency. In 2009, Payscale reported that the median starting salary for Harvard graduates was around $60,000, which is not bad since less Harvard students major in something technical than MIT and even UMUC students. The median mid-career salary was reported to be over $120,000.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0...ates/?_r=0

I don't know how accurate College Factual is. Forbes also uses PayScale as a source very often. Harvard reported in 2013 that an average Harvard student will make $60,000 in his or her first year. A large percentage of their students choose to go to graduate school, travel, or pursue fellowships, which drives down the average salary. Non-traditional students who attend schools, such as the Big 3, do not tend to travel or pursue fellowships.

Average Harvard Graduate Will Make $60,000 In Their First Job, And Other Crimson Trivia | Zero Hedge

The salary you end up making, unfortunately, is also affected by your socioeconomic class and network. Most Harvard students will not pay anywhere near $200,000 for their education due to Harvard's generous financial aid packages. The wealthier students, who will pay that much, are probably making a lot more than $48,000 in their first job unless they choose to work in a low-paying position such as starting from the bottom working on political campaigns or research fellowships. PayScale has ranked Harvard #22 in ROI.

PayScale College ROI Report: Best Value Colleges

As far as which coast is more progressive when it comes to education, it depends on what you're looking at. The East Coast has a few liberal states that were willing to fund experimental colleges, and they're more densely-populated. States like California and Oregon have been progressive in other ways. California used to have free community colleges, and I believe that public, California colleges tend to be cheaper than public, east coast colleges. Oregon is considering making their community colleges free. I was able to attend a competency-based program at Edmonds Community College, which is in Washington, tuition-free through a TAACCCT grant. There are only three states on the West Coast, but if you want to include the West as a whole, then Western Governors University was founded in Utah and formed the basis of future competency-based programs across the country. WGU was founded by the Western Governors' Association. A lot of experimental colleges used to flock to the Higher Learning Commission, which mostly covers the Mid-West and Southwest. Now, WASC, which is on the West Coast, seems to be the place to go after HLC faced growing scrutiny from the government.

If you are looking at the educational requirements for various licenses, then California is the most progressive state. They allow for apprenticeships and the attendance of non-ABA-accredited, correspondence, and online schools to meet the requirements to sit for the Bar Exam. They also allow for the attendance of NA schools to meet the educational requirements for becoming a psychologist while most, if not all, other states require the attendance of RA schools. Fielding Graduate University, which has the only distance, APA-accredited psychology program, is in California.

The number of graduates is not really indicative of a school's quality. University of Phoenix, which is a horrible school, has probably had over 100,000 graduates, but it's a private school that can afford a large marketing budget.

[bjcheung77]

Excelsior College does not get much love here, but they came out #1
Average Starting Salary (2013-'14): $50,000

I guess 160,000 gradates can't be wrong.hilarious

When they were the cheapest of the Big 3, they had an amazing amount of students enroll as that was the easiest school to obtain an RA degree. This was just a few years ago, I will guess less than a decade. Once they bumped up the pricing, and added extra requirements, they lost a bit of popularity. This seems the same way TESU is heading, hopefully not.

The LEFT Coast is not very progressive in Education.:willynilly:

There aren't many options but the big 3, unless you count the Competency Based Programs, if that's the case, the majority of programs are actually on the west coast like NAU, Patten, WGU. It's strange, only Hodges is in Florida, I am lost where Uof Wisconsin is

I like the way you talk!:hurray:

+1 on that, I wouldn't shell out 200 grand for such a low return on educational investment. I think any RA university will do, as if it's not the Top Ivy League schools, any RA school will be treated almost in the same fashion. I would recommend local colleges or state universities for better recognition in the local area.

[bjcheung77]

Graduates*

Lol, I didn't even catch that, good eye! :coolgleam: I mean, it must have been the awesome weather.

[sanantone]

When they were the cheapest of the Big 3, they had an amazing amount of students enroll as that was the easiest school to obtain an RA degree. This was just a few years ago, I will guess less than a decade. Once they bumped up the pricing, and added extra requirements, they lost a bit of popularity. This seems the same way TESU is heading, hopefully not.



There aren't many options but the big 3, unless you count the Competency Based Programs, if that's the case, the majority of programs are actually on the west coast like NAU, Patten, WGU. It's strange, only Hodges is in Florida, I am lost where Uof Wisconsin is



+1 on that, I wouldn't shell out 200 grand for such a low return on educational investment. I think any RA university will do, as if it's not the Top Ivy League schools, any RA school will be treated almost in the same fashion. I would recommend local colleges or state universities for better recognition in the local area.

Wisconsin is in the Midwest (middle of the country for those not familiar with U.S. regional terms). Argosy, which is based in California, also had a competency-based program. I don't know if they still do. Walden University has competency-based programs and is in the Midwest. Capella University, which has a lot of competency-based programs, is also in the Midwest. SNHU has competency-based programs, and they are on the East Coast.

[Life Long Learning]

Oregon is a regressive education State. They talk a good game, but NONE ever produced a SOC degree to the military. Almost anti-military in military credits, DSST, etc.

Oregon CC's have a 8-12% graduation rate?

The average starting salary is going to depend heavily on one's major. If Excelsior students are more likely to major in something technical or vocational, then they are going to make more money than someone who majors in a liberal art. Most of COSC's degrees are general studies degrees with concentrations. A lot of students go to TESU for flexible programs rather than technical programs.

The problem with averages is that they are skewed high or low by outliers. Medians are better at describing central tendency. In 2009, Payscale reported that the median starting salary for Harvard graduates was around $60,000, which is not bad since less Harvard students major in something technical than MIT and even UMUC students. The median mid-career salary was reported to be over $120,000.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0...ates/?_r=0

I don't know how accurate College Factual is. Forbes also uses PayScale as a source very often. Harvard reported in 2013 that an average Harvard student will make $60,000 in his or her first year. A large percentage of their students choose to go to graduate school, travel, or pursue fellowships, which drives down the average salary. Non-traditional students who attend schools, such as the Big 3, do not tend to travel or pursue fellowships.

Average Harvard Graduate Will Make $60,000 In Their First Job, And Other Crimson Trivia | Zero Hedge

The salary you end up making, unfortunately, is also affected by your socioeconomic class and network. Most Harvard students will not pay anywhere near $200,000 for their education due to Harvard's generous financial aid packages. The wealthier students, who will pay that much, are probably making a lot more than $48,000 in their first job unless they choose to work in a low-paying position such as starting from the bottom working on political campaigns or research fellowships. PayScale has ranked Harvard #22 in ROI.

PayScale College ROI Report: Best Value Colleges

As far as which coast is more progressive when it comes to education, it depends on what you're looking at. The East Coast has a few liberal states that were willing to fund experimental colleges, and they're more densely-populated. States like California and Oregon have been progressive in other ways. California used to have free community colleges, and I believe that public, California colleges tend to be cheaper than public, east coast colleges. Oregon is considering making their community colleges free. I was able to attend a competency-based program at Edmonds Community College, which is in Washington, tuition-free through a TAACCCT grant. There are only three states on the West Coast, but if you want to include the West as a whole, then Western Governors University was founded in Utah and formed the basis of future competency-based programs across the country. WGU was founded by the Western Governors' Association. A lot of experimental colleges used to flock to the Higher Learning Commission, which mostly covers the Mid-West and Southwest. Now, WASC, which is on the West Coast, seems to be the place to go after HLC faced growing scrutiny from the government.

If you are looking at the educational requirements for various licenses, then California is the most progressive state. They allow for apprenticeships and the attendance of non-ABA-accredited, correspondence, and online schools to meet the requirements to sit for the Bar Exam. They also allow for the attendance of NA schools to meet the educational requirements for becoming a psychologist while most, if not all, other states require the attendance of RA schools. Fielding Graduate University, which has the only distance, APA-accredited psychology program, is in California.

The number of graduates is not really indicative of a school's quality. University of Phoenix, which is a horrible school, has probably had over 100,000 graduates, but it's a private school that can afford a large marketing budget.

[sanantone]

Oregon is a regressive education State. They talk a good game, but NONE ever produced a SOC degree to the military. Almost anti-military in military credits, DSST, etc.

Are military programs your only measure for progressiveness?

Oregon CC's have a 8-12% graduation rate?

Most CCs have very low graduation rates. However, I wouldn't care too much about the graduation rate of a CC. I'm counted as a dropout at two CC systems, but I have multiple degrees. A lot of people use CCs for transfer credits and don't care to finish their associate's programs.

[Life Long Learning]

I agree on the price going up.

The fact that 50% of the Excelsior students are Nurses and 40% military also produce family wage jobs.:hurray:

I think they have a lock on the Army Sergeants Major Academy in graduates which helps in prestige!

When they were the cheapest of the Big 3, they had an amazing amount of students enroll as that was the easiest school to obtain an RA degree. This was just a few years ago, I will guess less than a decade. Once they bumped up the pricing, and added extra requirements, they lost a bit of popularity. This seems the same way TESU is heading, hopefully not.



There aren't many options but the big 3, unless you count the Competency Based Programs, if that's the case, the majority of programs are actually on the west coast like NAU, Patten, WGU. It's strange, only Hodges is in Florida, I am lost where Uof Wisconsin is



+1 on that, I wouldn't shell out 200 grand for such a low return on educational investment. I think any RA university will do, as if it's not the Top Ivy League schools, any RA school will be treated almost in the same fashion. I would recommend local colleges or state universities for better recognition in the local area.

[Life Long Learning]

The Big 3 are masters of CLEP, DSST, etc.

Oregon is NOT.

Are military programs your only measure for progressiveness?



Most CCs have very low graduation rates. However, I wouldn't care too much about the graduation rate of a CC. I'm counted as a dropout at two CC systems, but I have multiple degrees. A lot of people use CCs for transfer credits and don't care to finish their associate's programs. You seem to have an ax to grind with Oregon. Do you live there? Why don't you move?

[Life Long Learning]

I just call them as I see them. BTY, I have two Oregon CC degrees.

Are military programs your only measure for progressiveness?



Most CCs have very low graduation rates. However, I wouldn't care too much about the graduation rate of a CC. I'm counted as a dropout at two CC systems, but I have multiple degrees. A lot of people use CCs for transfer credits and don't care to finish their associate's programs. You seem to have an ax to grind with Oregon. Do you live there? Why don't you move? Oregon State University and University of Oregon do award credits for military training.

Credit Opportunities | Office of Admissions | Oregon State University
https://registrar.uoregon.edu/current-st...arn-credit