B.A. in Music from TESC?

[SoliDeoGloria]

Hello!

Just curious if anyone has completed a B.A. in music from TESC and how you went about doing that? I'm just looking at my options .

[cookderosa]

Hello!

Just curious if anyone has completed a B.A. in music from TESC and how you went about doing that? I'm just looking at my options .

In the upper right corner click "advanced search" and it will open the search page. Type in "music" and then the little box that allows you to filter out by TITLE. I did that and didn't find too many, but there were a few and that might get you started!! Good luck!

[JohnnyHeck]

I am matriculated at TESC for the BA Music with an approved degre plan to finish by the end of this summer. It can be quite a quirky program to complete. I came into it with 100 hours of credit about evenly split betweem a CC and a former senior institution where I started out as a Music Theater major. The real challenge is the 15 hr upper level credit courses in the major.

[cookderosa]

I am matriculated at TESC for the BA Music with an approved degre plan to finish by the end of this summer. It can be quite a quirky program to complete. I came into it with 100 hours of credit about evenly split betweem a CC and a former senior institution where I started out as a Music Theater major. The real challenge is the 15 hr upper level credit courses in the major.

Johnny, do you feel like sharing how you've met the upper level requirements?

[JohnnyHeck]

When I got my eval from TESC I was stunned to find that they would count my Community College Opera Production I (which was the study and performance of Handlel's oratorio Elijah). So I immediately went back to my CC to audition and win a part in their latest Opera Production II, Dialogue of the Carmelites. These two performances TESC equates to their MUS-353 Opera I and MUS-356 Opera II. I have 4 years paid summer theater experience, so I am doing a TESC PLA, MUS-315 Music Theatre. For the fourth course I found an upper level online Arizona State University selection "Music of the Beatles" which TESC equates to their MUS-307 Music of "specific performer" For the fifth course I found myself a former university professor as a tutor for Choral Arranging and Compostion for which I will submit a PLA to TESC for their MUS-370 Arranging I

I am currently completing as upper level courses Music History I at Valley City State University ND and Music History II at U of Tx Permian Basin, but TESC will only equate these to their LL courses MUS-220,221. I had a lot of other options I proposed to TESC with UL music courses available online at other schools but they would degrade these like my music history to some LL TESC equivelents. TESC is totally course title driven. If they have a course in their database (search for PLA courses) with a similar title as your proposal, this is what determines for them whether it is UL or LL. This is totally unlike Excelsior which is transparent to the originating source of credit. Like I said, TESC has a quirky system for UL music credits.

[sanantone]

That's what I tell everyone about TESC: they are course title driven and do not care about ACE recommendations or the course code the original school gave. Even more so than title driven, they are course description driven. The course titles don't have to exactly match, just the course content. It is a quirky system, but I like it. This allows people to get UL credit for cheap, CC courses and for more CLEPs, DSSTs, and other CBEs. On the other hand, COSC actually downgraded some of my UL courses from 4-year universities leaving me with no UL credits. TESC downgraded some of my courses, but they upgraded a lot more.

[JohnnyHeck]

The reason I imphasized title driven domination over course description is because this is exactly what TESC told me! I had 4 courses and 12 credits in private voice from the NASM accreditied Rome College of Music at the Catholic University of America (CUA) in Washington, DC. On initial evaluation, I didn't even get 200 level credit for any of these courses when by TESC course description they should have been crossed to TESC MUS-142.143,225,226 Applied Music.

During the post eval 30 day window formal appeal process, in which I submitted documentation which showed by course description and syllabus that my courses at CUA were the usual music major performance by jury Applied Music courses, TESC responded that my sophomore courses would be upgraded to MUS-250.251 Voice III,IV but not to their Applied Music because the CUA course titles were Private Instruction Voice and did not include the word Applied! By the way this appeal process was very friendly and cordial. TESC even apoligized for initially missing a CC credit by exam course!

The issue of course tiltle came up again and again as I tried to find online UL music school courses. Even a graduate level course in jazz history would not count at TESC as UL because they already had courses at LL with the words jazz and history in their titles.

[sanantone]

That's probably how they work with music courses. With my social science and criminal justice courses, they were course description driven. They wouldn't use a CJ course as a social science course if the course description indicated it was applied instead of theory. This is how some of my courses transcribed.

COM 210 Written Communication - COM 300 Business Communication
COM 110 Effective and Persuasive Writing - ENC 101 English Comp I
COM 112 Utilizing Information in College Writing - ENC 102 English Comp II
MUSI 1301 Fundamentals of Music I - MUSI 111 Basic St.-Sg & Ear Trng.
HUM 201 World Culture and the Arts - HUM 101 Humanities I
DAAC 1319 Intro to Alcohol/Drug Addictions - SOS 304 Drugs and Society
IT105 Information and Technology Literacy - CIS 102 Intro to Computer Information Systems
CRT201 Critical Thinking - PHI 321 Critical Reasoning and Argument
ITSC 1309 Intro to Software Applications I MS 2010 - CAP 225 Microcomputer Applications for Business
CJUS102 Law Enforcement Operations and Report Writing - AOJ 101 Intro to Law Enforcement
CRIJ 1306 Court Systems and Practices - AOJ 252 Criminal Law and Criminal Courts
CJUS 252 Homeland Security - HLS 341 Intelligence and Homeland Security

According to them, my criminal law course would be counted as a social science because the course description says it was theory; but, the course that they transcribed as criminal law and criminal courts would not count as a social science because the course description indicated that it was applied. They downgraded a couple of my UL credits to general education electives because the course descriptions indicated that they were a mixture of humanities and social science.

[JohnnyHeck]

Yes Sanantone, I can see how your TESC course crosses add some more quirkiness to their system. I am particularly intrigued by their cross of your 3hr credit? MUSI 1301 Fundamentals of Music to their database MUS-111 Sight Sing. & Ear Tr. for 3 hr credit. This cross could give you credit within your music major (except that the 6 hr of 100 level allowed are taken up by Music Theory I,II) rather than be a free elective. Plus I have never even seen a 3 hr credit course for Sight Sing. & Ear Trn. I. This is usually a 1or 2 hr credit co-requisite with Music Theory I. It must have existed somewhere, sometime, for someone to have created a PLA for it, and now TESC uses it to cross to Music Fundamentals which is pretty much a standard remedial music course everywhere. TESC has no equivelent in their database by title or description.

I think whatever "system" TESC has is based upon some historical hodgepodge of decisions made in a long ago forgotten past that has withstood accreditation reviews. In the final analysis, I think it safe and fair to say that a TESC student should very carefull to have their course degree plan approved in advance before expending any time or money on any "logical" assumptions of their own.

[sanantone]

My fundamentals of music course did include ear training and I think that was stated in the course description. That's probably how the evaluator came to his or her decision.